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Seriously.

[livejournal.com profile] shinyopals asked for an icon featuring River Song and Morrisey's Doctor from the upcoming Christmas special. ( ---> That's it, right there.)

Based on a few factors from the clip -- check it out!



I find it highly unlikely that Morrisey's Doctor is actually THE Doctor. He's a bit too much of a caricature, a bit too arrogant, his sonic screwdriver doesn't really seem all that sonic and most telling of all: Neither he nor Ten recognize themselves as The Doctor. So yeah, pretty likely not the Doctor. However, some people have come up with a deliciously, totally Rusty in all of it's cracktastic glory, theory that while this isn't the Doctor, it *is* a time traveler and is actually the Doctor that River Song knows. (I know, I know, logic pretty much says no because her dialogue implied that she knew the Doctor as our Ten, but hey, I said it was crack and au-crack at that!)

ETA: Hah, [livejournal.com profile] larissa_j actually had a way around that dialogue!
It's possible that Morrisey's Doctor used Tennant's Doctor as 'his' Tenth regeneration thus leading River to believe that she did 'meet' him or does know him. Since Tennant is leaving, River will never really meet him again, so this would fit with canon.

I'm in no way saying this is going to happen, just offering possible explanations :D I would love RTD to death if he did make this happen. It would also get Moffat out of the mess he's currently in with the River Song arc and David leaving.
The thing is that it makes SO MUCH SENSE. Morrisey's Doctor (from now on MDoc -- thanks, [livejournal.com profile] butterfly) in this little clip acts exactly how River Song describes the Doctor she knows. Ten snapping his fingers at the TARDIS? So not *our* Doctor. But MDoc snapping his fingers at the TARDIS? Totally, River's Doctor. And how many times have we read/heard about Moffat deliberately doing things he knew would (a) piss Rusty off and/or (b) mess with Rusty's timeline? Enough that it would crack me up if Rusty -- who has complete control over these specials -- did the same fun, little joke on Moffat. And honestly? Would this totally not be the kind of crack that Rusty would love? You know it is.

Being serious for a moment, if this crack theory actually had any basis in reality, I have to say that while I wouldn't wildly, obsessively ship River/MDoc as I do Nine/Ten and Rose, I could so see myself adoring and getting a huge kick out of them -- they'd be amusingly arrogant together. Yes, I know I found River abrasively arrogant when Moffat wrote her, but man, I bet that with Alex Kingston's undeniable charm and talent, Rusty would write her as amusingly arrogant as he did MDoc in this brief bit. Together and under Rusty's pen and vision, they'd be a hoot.

So, I've decided that even if it's a lonely fandom of two three (hi, [livejournal.com profile] shinyopals, and [livejournal.com profile] butterfly!), I can happily enjoy River/MDoc. And I don't feel like it interferes with my Doctor/Rose obsession either because Rose? Would be all like, Yeah, who the hell are you and where is the *real* Doctor? to this dude, but based on how River talked and acted about him, this one's right up her alley.

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Date: 2008-11-15 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinyopals.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] ship_manifesto here we come! XD

RTD should write a spin off now he's done with DW! :D

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Date: 2008-11-15 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabian.livejournal.com
Oh, God, seriously? I would TOTALLY watch it. It would be HYSTERICAL!! And I know that Alex Kingston could totally bring the angst that would inevitably have to rear its head as well. (And I don't know about Morrisey -- I know, I know, how can I not? I will watch Blackpool someday, I swear!)

Admittedly, a small part of me would also love it simply for the fact that I would have an interal "Hah! Take that!" to a certain other writer every time I watched it, LOL!

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Date: 2008-11-15 07:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Hee. Fandom of three, totally. MDoc and River would be perfect together and if RTD were writing them, they would be hilarious.

ETA: Phonecall later today?

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Date: 2008-11-15 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabian.livejournal.com
LOL! Woohoo!! THREE WHOLE MEMBERS!! We're growing! :D

Yup, do you have a time in mind?

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Date: 2008-11-15 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinyopals.livejournal.com
Clearly we need to start writing fic! XD

And yesterday [livejournal.com profile] pluckyyounggirl implied she was rather enthusiastic, so we might even be FOUR in number!

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Date: 2008-11-15 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-lucky-stars.livejournal.com
I could so see myself adoring and getting a huge kick out of them -- they'd be amusingly arrogant together.

Oh dear. I'm pining for the fic already! :D

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Date: 2008-11-15 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabian.livejournal.com
Someone's got to. Someone just has GOT to do.

Hmm, you know who writes really good light-hearted fic? Oh, [livejournal.com profile] shinyopals. What, she could get inspired! It could happen!

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Date: 2008-11-15 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinyopals.livejournal.com
... I'm going to regret admitting this, but I tentatively have a fic idea. Not a long or serious one, but I have a scene in mind... XD

The problem is, I'm now worrying about whether or not I could write MDoc or River IC, having seen 30 seconds of the former and watched SitL/FotD ALL OF ONCE.

Maybe I am insane... XD

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Date: 2008-11-15 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] larissa-j.livejournal.com
Well, RTD did say that he knew what Moffat had planned for S5 and planned to head in that direction with the specials. Maybe this was what he meant?

*snickers*

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Date: 2008-11-15 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabian.livejournal.com
Seriously? I literally snickered when I read this. No,s seriously. And now I'm just laughing.

Oh, I love the crack that Rusty brings to this fandom because it allows us to indulge our own crack.

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Date: 2008-11-15 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinyopals.livejournal.com
This has to be true! XD

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Date: 2008-11-15 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faith5by5-1013.livejournal.com
I love your crack theory! And I can see it working! While I hated River Song, I could imagine her working with Morrissey's Doctor. Especially with RTD writing. And it does make so much sense!

And I don't feel like it interferes with my Doctor/Rose obsession either because Rose? Would be all like, Yeah, who the hell are you and where is the *real* Doctor? to this dude, but based on how River talked and acted about him, this one's right up her alley.

I agree with you completely about that! I could see myself really enjoying that ship. Not on the level of Nine/Rose or Ten/Rose but way more than I ever imagined I could like any Doctor with River Song. Even though I don't think Morrissey's Doctor is really the Doctor.

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Date: 2008-11-15 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabian.livejournal.com
That is what is SO awesome about this crack theory, as crack-y as Rusty is, and how Who works and with the behind-the-scenes stuffie, it totally COULD work. It could happen and COULD work and would be AWESOME!!!!

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Date: 2008-11-15 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunnytyler001.livejournal.com
"Yeah, who the hell are you and where is the *real* Doctor?"
Oh hell, yes, totally! Somebody should write a fic about Rose meeting Morrissey!Doctor. That would be made of win!
And yes, you're right. He's just as River described "her" Doctor. Arrogant, snapping his fingers at the tardis... then, Ten did try at the end of the episode... And I sooo wanted Donna to slap him because of it.

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Date: 2008-11-16 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabian.livejournal.com
Yup, yup, yup all-around.

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Date: 2008-11-15 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pluckyyounggirl.livejournal.com
I SAID SO RIGHT AWAY, DIDN'T I?

Morrissey!Doctor <3 River Song = ONE TWU WUV 4EVA.

(Like I said over in my journal, I maintain that River never actually knew Ten - from what I remember of her episodes, that is completely compliant with canon.)

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Date: 2008-11-16 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabian.livejournal.com
Absolutely. It totally, totally works.

- It explains the whole WTFuckery of the River Song arc without messing up the Doctor/Rose love story.

- It explains how River can have met the Doctor if David is gone.

- It explains the cracky-way that River described the Doctor in a way that was wholly unrecognizable to us.

- It doesn't actually contradict any canon.

- The little things CAN be explained away somehow ... like, oh, the Doctor's name I came up with one alternative in your entry (http://pluckyyounggirl.livejournal.com/27308.html): if MDoc says something that makes the Doctor realize he's the one who meets River, so he tells him his name with the punishment of the Oncoming Storm if he tells anyone but this one woman, because if RS doesn't know his name, all of the events -- including saving Donna, the universe, oh and giving Rose and a version of him a happy ever after!!! - wouldn't happen.)

It's brilliant! Oh, come on, Rusty do it!! (Or, erm have done it!!!)

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Date: 2008-11-16 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killingfrost87.livejournal.com
I am SO in%2Pr

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Date: 2008-11-16 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] little-aphid.livejournal.com
This is now my canon, OMG. This is the good kind of crack, and needs to happen, if not in canon, then at least in fic.

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Date: 2008-11-16 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabian.livejournal.com
Definitely in fic at least. It just absolutely fixes SitL/FotD perfectly!! :DDDD

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Date: 2008-11-16 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ageless-aislynn.livejournal.com
Oh, sign me up for this fandom, yeeeee-haw! *starts baking River/MDoc-shaped cookies to bring to the first big fandom meeting*

This is so my canon until they pry it away from my little desperately clinging fingers and even then it'll STILL be my canon! *sticks fingers in ears and la-la-lahs* ;) ♥!

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Date: 2008-11-16 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabian.livejournal.com
I know, it won't be canon, but I really, really want it to simply because it makes so much sense and makes SitL/FotD so bearable now!

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Date: 2008-11-17 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eolivet.livejournal.com
Oh, sigh...the clip is no longer available. :(

I am SO psyched for this Christmas special, because I adored David Morrissey not only in "Blackpool," but "State of Play." He's got such a presence -- I'm sure you've seen the "Blackpool" clip of he and DT singing "These Boots are Made for Walking." Hilarious!!!

Can't. Wait. :D

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Date: 2008-11-18 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabian.livejournal.com
Oh, sigh...the clip is no longer available. :(

Oh, that sucks! It was awesome. Hopefully, it will pop up again.

I am SO psyched for this Christmas special, because I adored David Morrissey not only in "Blackpool," but "State of Play." He's got such a presence -- I'm sure you've seen the "Blackpool" clip of he and DT singing "These Boots are Made for Walking." Hilarious!!!

No, I've only seen a few clips and I don't want to watch any more until I sit down and actually watch the whole series. I will one day, I swear. I have it all on my hard drive waiting to watch.

Can't. Wait. :D

I can't either; I do love this show, not just the Doctor/Rose love story. I'll miss it so much! :(

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Date: 2008-11-30 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bubbles234.livejournal.com
I don't know why I haven't seen this before :S I love it :D

"Would this totally not be the kind of crack that Rusty would love? You know it is.

He suggested killing off 10 by dropping a radioactive piano on his head, the man would adore this theory. Incedentally, so do I xD

Also, snagging the icon - will credit :D

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