It looks like a requirement for posters to comment upon this. ;-) To me, it had the potential to be the cheesiest, most overdramatic line EVER, like something from "Titanic". But Eccleston's tone and lack of overacting, and Billie's expression and the silence in the script (wise move, RTD!) make it just right.
It's just so incredibly powerful. It was one of THE defining moments, probably the second (after "Run") in the Doctor/Rose relationship. This is the first time he verbalizes that for him it's a difficult choice, one almost impossible to make between saving Rose and anything else. She's that important to him.
My favorite character in the double episode was Mickey (and then Jackie). What I admired most was how real they were - it wasn't that they suddenly became gun-toting Rambos. They WERE frightened, and they didn't want to be alien-fighters, but they bravely soldiered on despite their fear; that's real courage!
Yup; I said back in the first episode that I wonder if RTD planned an arc for Mickey, and as I'm watching more episodes with him, I think it WAS intentional. It's another way of showing how the Doctor makes people's lives better, even those who don't travel with him.
I liked how Mickey turned down the Doctor's invitation to come - it showed how much of himself he was sacrificing in those episodes. He doesn't like that exciting life; he wants a quiet, domestic one. But he will do whatever he needs to do when it's right.
I do agree with this, but I agree with honorh above in that he SHOULD have been honest with Rose, and not put it on the Doctor, making him the bad guy. But, again, twenty-something old guy.
But what's your opinion on why ROSE changes her opinion? She asks Mickey to come in "WW3" without prompting from ANYONE, Mickey included, but she is clearly upset in "SR" after Mickey asks and both Sarah Jane and the Doctor approve Mickey's coming.
I actually started to write up a whole section on that (even had in my notes, "the difference in Rose's reaction in SR"), but as I was writing it, I realized I was getting way too much in discussing/dissecting what happens in the relationship between the Doctor and Rose in "The Parting of the Ways" through "School Reunion," as well as going into too much detail about what happens during the "humans wither and die" conversation. I realized that that train of thought belonged in the "School Reunion" review. To make it short: As I said above, she's still in denial about her feelings about the Doctor. In SR, she's not. She knows that she loves him and doesn't want her ex there getting in the way of the development between them.
Your theory on Harriet's truncated Golden Age is an interesting point and (it seems to me) rather valid.
Thank you.
I'm with you that Nine would have reacted differently. I'm not sure he would have entirely approved of shooting a retreating group in the back, but I don't think he would have reacted the way Ten did. (To be honest, I was a little surprised.) Whether or not Harriet was right in what she did, she was TOTALLY right in her reasoning.
Right, I don't think he would have just walked away; he would have been angry, but he would have yelled at her in his anguished way and then walked away ... blaming himself in the end. Ten is more quick to rush to judgement and turn that guilt inward and unleash it outwardly in a cruel, angry way. Rose and Donna seem to be the only ones who can stall that reaction and because Rose didn't know that particular personality quirk of this Doctor yet, it explains why she just stood there and let it happen, because she didn't KNOW it was happening.
And, yes, Harriet WAS right, proven in "The Stolen Earth" and I LOVE how she stuck to her principles all the way to the very end.
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Date: 2008-08-11 12:56 pm (UTC)It looks like a requirement for posters to comment upon this. ;-) To me, it had the potential to be the cheesiest, most overdramatic line EVER, like something from "Titanic". But Eccleston's tone and lack of overacting, and Billie's expression and the silence in the script (wise move, RTD!) make it just right.
It's just so incredibly powerful. It was one of THE defining moments, probably the second (after "Run") in the Doctor/Rose relationship. This is the first time he verbalizes that for him it's a difficult choice, one almost impossible to make between saving Rose and anything else. She's that important to him.
My favorite character in the double episode was Mickey (and then Jackie). What I admired most was how real they were - it wasn't that they suddenly became gun-toting Rambos. They WERE frightened, and they didn't want to be alien-fighters, but they bravely soldiered on despite their fear; that's real courage!
Yup; I said back in the first episode that I wonder if RTD planned an arc for Mickey, and as I'm watching more episodes with him, I think it WAS intentional. It's another way of showing how the Doctor makes people's lives better, even those who don't travel with him.
I liked how Mickey turned down the Doctor's invitation to come - it showed how much of himself he was sacrificing in those episodes. He doesn't like that exciting life; he wants a quiet, domestic one. But he will do whatever he needs to do when it's right.
I do agree with this, but I agree with
But what's your opinion on why ROSE changes her opinion? She asks Mickey to come in "WW3" without prompting from ANYONE, Mickey included, but she is clearly upset in "SR" after Mickey asks and both Sarah Jane and the Doctor approve Mickey's coming.
I actually started to write up a whole section on that (even had in my notes, "the difference in Rose's reaction in SR"), but as I was writing it, I realized I was getting way too much in discussing/dissecting what happens in the relationship between the Doctor and Rose in "The Parting of the Ways" through "School Reunion," as well as going into too much detail about what happens during the "humans wither and die" conversation. I realized that that train of thought belonged in the "School Reunion" review. To make it short: As I said above, she's still in denial about her feelings about the Doctor. In SR, she's not. She knows that she loves him and doesn't want her ex there getting in the way of the development between them.
Your theory on Harriet's truncated Golden Age is an interesting point and (it seems to me) rather valid.
Thank you.
I'm with you that Nine would have reacted differently. I'm not sure he would have entirely approved of shooting a retreating group in the back, but I don't think he would have reacted the way Ten did. (To be honest, I was a little surprised.) Whether or not Harriet was right in what she did, she was TOTALLY right in her reasoning.
Right, I don't think he would have just walked away; he would have been angry, but he would have yelled at her in his anguished way and then walked away ... blaming himself in the end. Ten is more quick to rush to judgement and turn that guilt inward and unleash it outwardly in a cruel, angry way. Rose and Donna seem to be the only ones who can stall that reaction and because Rose didn't know that particular personality quirk of this Doctor yet, it explains why she just stood there and let it happen, because she didn't KNOW it was happening.
And, yes, Harriet WAS right, proven in "The Stolen Earth" and I LOVE how she stuck to her principles all the way to the very end.