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arabianFor the most part. Just reading comments here and there over the last couple of months and finding myself thinking but I DO like that or I DON'T like that, and after writing up this quite, quite unpopular opinion re: Donna post, I was inspired to compile a list and am just now putting it up. Now, I know one is extremely unpopular, and one I found out after I wrote the list, edges more towards popular and my goodness, can I ramble? Anyhoo, the list in no particular order ...
- I actually quite like "Love & Monsters." I wouldn't put it in my top ten, and I know it's both Doctor and Rose-lite, but I still enjoy it. I like the story, I like Elton and I think that it's a fabulous little mini Jackie story. Plus, I love the few moments we do get with the Doctor and Rose.
- Here's the biggie: I don't really care about Jack. I do not understand for the life of me why he is SUCH a huge part of fandom, why an entire other show was built around him, etc. He's handsome, but nothing to write home about in my book; he a decent actor, but nothing to write home about. And I don't get the whole great, fabulous, amazing friendship between the Doctor, Rose and Jack. They traveled together for what really amounted to one episode: "Boomtown." And sure, they had travels in between, and were all buddy-buddy and rah!rah!rah! in said "Boomtown," but Mickey fit in pretty nicely with those three and yet I don't see OT4 fics with them. I just don't get it.
On that note, I pretty much despise the OT3 thing with Doctor/Rose/Jack. I just ... ick, it gives me the ickies. Just yuck. The Doctor belongs with Rose. Rose belongs with the Doctor. Jack can have a raging hard-on for either one all he wants, but for me, it's all on him, and Rose is into the Doctor, and the Doctor is into Rose and if Jack were to attempt to insert himself in the mix, they'd be as squicked as I am.
So, yeah, that one was the biggie, the major, 'that is SOOOOOOOOOOO unpopular.' Moving along.
- Due to forms of character assassination ranging from mild to OHMYGOD!GET THE HELL AWAY FROM MY SHOW!!!!, I've found that I only love "Blink" by Moffat. I love some of the moments in "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" and do adore the overall concept, but the episodes themselves rub me the wrong way in light of Rose's characterization and some of the Doctor stuff too. I think that "The Girl in the Fireplace" is a gorgeously written, conceived and acted episode ... but one that does not even REMOTELY fit character-arc wise in RTD's Who. The less said about "Silence of the Library/Forest of the Dead" the better, other than that the only thing I liked about it was the alternate Donna-verse, but everything else? Meh to Noooo. "Blink," though? I loved. (Like lots of others, I know.)
- I've said this before and I know I'm not the only one, but I'll still add it: I love Ten, but I do love Nine just that little bit more.
- On that note, I think that Eccleston has more chemistry with Billie Piper than does David Tennant. (And on the chemistry note, I don't see anything but BFF chemistry between Piper and Tennant in real-life ... at all, nothing hinting at some underpinning of longing, etc.)
- Donna is not just my favorite companion (I'm sorry, Rose, I do adore you, but Donna is just ... Donna), Donna is my favorite character EVER on Who -- yes, I love her more than the Doctor (Nine or Ten). In fact, Donna Noble may be one of my top five favorite characters ever in ANY fandom. EVER! I love her so much.
- My favorite kiss is the Nine/Rose kiss from "The Parting of the Ways." None other comes close.
- I may be lynched for this, but {ducks}, I don't like David Tennant's hair in series four. I just don't. It's too short, too spiky, just not as ... yeah, don't like. It's okay in series three, but do not want in series four. I ADORE it in series two. A-D-O-R-E it in series two. I almost like his hair, series two, as much as I like Donna. But series four? Yeah, just no.
-I don't care if they keep popping up after being exterminated once and for all: I don't think I'll ever get tired of the Daleks. E-V-E-R!
- "The Unquiet Dead" is one of my favorite episodes. In fact, I won't be surprised if when I'm done rewatching the whole series again that it's in the top five, if not top three. I really, really love it.
- I apologize in advance to Christopher Eccleston because for the first time in forever I'm actually acknowledging that even he can't overcome something. It's not his fault, but still ... even he couldn't overcome the cheese of the "You need a doctor" line from "The Parting of the Ways." I keep hoping it will get better each time I watch it and I'll grin and glory in the romantic cheesiness, but no. It's just always groan-inducing cheese. Sigh. Not even the amazing Christopher Eccleston can save it.
- [verysmallvoice]I like the blue suit.[/verysmallvoice] I ADORE the brown pin-striped suit, but yeah ... [verysmallvoice]I like the blue suit.[/verysmallvoice]
- I like John Simm, he's a great actor, very charismatic. Still, I way, way preferred Sir Derek Jacobi over him and really wished that Jacobi had just stayed as the Master. (I know! This one rivals the Jack/OT3 above for unpopularity.)
- Poorly-conceived/written character or not, I think the biggest problem with Martha is that compared to most other regular/recurring actors on this show, Freema Agyeman is just not that good. I like her, I think she's very personable and quite lovely. I simply don't think she's a strong enough actress to make Martha work as RTD likely envisioned her. I just find it difficult to believe that a man who is so amazingly wonderful at creating characters and writing such fabulous character arcs and motivations for them would mess up so with Martha Jones. Therefore, I think the fault in the character lies in Agyeman not able to deliver on RTD's vision. (Why do I feel guilty writing this? It's not like she'll ever read it. Sigh, I DO like her, I just ... well, you know.)
- I really, really loved Yvonne Hartman. I did.
So share your thoughts, your own opinions that might be a tad outside the norm. Will be fun to read. :D (I know some of my other Who icons are much more appropriate, but new Billie icon! Squee!! I had to use it.)
- I actually quite like "Love & Monsters." I wouldn't put it in my top ten, and I know it's both Doctor and Rose-lite, but I still enjoy it. I like the story, I like Elton and I think that it's a fabulous little mini Jackie story. Plus, I love the few moments we do get with the Doctor and Rose.
- Here's the biggie: I don't really care about Jack. I do not understand for the life of me why he is SUCH a huge part of fandom, why an entire other show was built around him, etc. He's handsome, but nothing to write home about in my book; he a decent actor, but nothing to write home about. And I don't get the whole great, fabulous, amazing friendship between the Doctor, Rose and Jack. They traveled together for what really amounted to one episode: "Boomtown." And sure, they had travels in between, and were all buddy-buddy and rah!rah!rah! in said "Boomtown," but Mickey fit in pretty nicely with those three and yet I don't see OT4 fics with them. I just don't get it.
On that note, I pretty much despise the OT3 thing with Doctor/Rose/Jack. I just ... ick, it gives me the ickies. Just yuck. The Doctor belongs with Rose. Rose belongs with the Doctor. Jack can have a raging hard-on for either one all he wants, but for me, it's all on him, and Rose is into the Doctor, and the Doctor is into Rose and if Jack were to attempt to insert himself in the mix, they'd be as squicked as I am.
So, yeah, that one was the biggie, the major, 'that is SOOOOOOOOOOO unpopular.' Moving along.
- Due to forms of character assassination ranging from mild to OHMYGOD!GET THE HELL AWAY FROM MY SHOW!!!!, I've found that I only love "Blink" by Moffat. I love some of the moments in "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" and do adore the overall concept, but the episodes themselves rub me the wrong way in light of Rose's characterization and some of the Doctor stuff too. I think that "The Girl in the Fireplace" is a gorgeously written, conceived and acted episode ... but one that does not even REMOTELY fit character-arc wise in RTD's Who. The less said about "Silence of the Library/Forest of the Dead" the better, other than that the only thing I liked about it was the alternate Donna-verse, but everything else? Meh to Noooo. "Blink," though? I loved. (Like lots of others, I know.)
- I've said this before and I know I'm not the only one, but I'll still add it: I love Ten, but I do love Nine just that little bit more.
- On that note, I think that Eccleston has more chemistry with Billie Piper than does David Tennant. (And on the chemistry note, I don't see anything but BFF chemistry between Piper and Tennant in real-life ... at all, nothing hinting at some underpinning of longing, etc.)
- Donna is not just my favorite companion (I'm sorry, Rose, I do adore you, but Donna is just ... Donna), Donna is my favorite character EVER on Who -- yes, I love her more than the Doctor (Nine or Ten). In fact, Donna Noble may be one of my top five favorite characters ever in ANY fandom. EVER! I love her so much.
- My favorite kiss is the Nine/Rose kiss from "The Parting of the Ways." None other comes close.
- I may be lynched for this, but {ducks}, I don't like David Tennant's hair in series four. I just don't. It's too short, too spiky, just not as ... yeah, don't like. It's okay in series three, but do not want in series four. I ADORE it in series two. A-D-O-R-E it in series two. I almost like his hair, series two, as much as I like Donna. But series four? Yeah, just no.
-I don't care if they keep popping up after being exterminated once and for all: I don't think I'll ever get tired of the Daleks. E-V-E-R!
- "The Unquiet Dead" is one of my favorite episodes. In fact, I won't be surprised if when I'm done rewatching the whole series again that it's in the top five, if not top three. I really, really love it.
- I apologize in advance to Christopher Eccleston because for the first time in forever I'm actually acknowledging that even he can't overcome something. It's not his fault, but still ... even he couldn't overcome the cheese of the "You need a doctor" line from "The Parting of the Ways." I keep hoping it will get better each time I watch it and I'll grin and glory in the romantic cheesiness, but no. It's just always groan-inducing cheese. Sigh. Not even the amazing Christopher Eccleston can save it.
- [verysmallvoice]I like the blue suit.[/verysmallvoice] I ADORE the brown pin-striped suit, but yeah ... [verysmallvoice]I like the blue suit.[/verysmallvoice]
- I like John Simm, he's a great actor, very charismatic. Still, I way, way preferred Sir Derek Jacobi over him and really wished that Jacobi had just stayed as the Master. (I know! This one rivals the Jack/OT3 above for unpopularity.)
- Poorly-conceived/written character or not, I think the biggest problem with Martha is that compared to most other regular/recurring actors on this show, Freema Agyeman is just not that good. I like her, I think she's very personable and quite lovely. I simply don't think she's a strong enough actress to make Martha work as RTD likely envisioned her. I just find it difficult to believe that a man who is so amazingly wonderful at creating characters and writing such fabulous character arcs and motivations for them would mess up so with Martha Jones. Therefore, I think the fault in the character lies in Agyeman not able to deliver on RTD's vision. (Why do I feel guilty writing this? It's not like she'll ever read it. Sigh, I DO like her, I just ... well, you know.)
- I really, really loved Yvonne Hartman. I did.
So share your thoughts, your own opinions that might be a tad outside the norm. Will be fun to read. :D (I know some of my other Who icons are much more appropriate, but new Billie icon! Squee!! I had to use it.)
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Date: 2008-08-17 01:10 am (UTC)Literally, I screamed out "YES!" when I read this line. How anyone can't see that that was really the whole point of TL ... to show that all Donna needs is someone TRULY believing in her and she CAN and WILL be THE Donna, I don't know, but I get that a lot of people don't see it. I just don't get it myself.
I am sooo glad to see you, and others in the comments, who are not totally enamored of Doctor/Rose/Jack. I find OT3, Doctor/Jack, and Rose/Jack all incredibly squicky.
So, so, soooooooo squicky. I do not get the overwhelming love and hosannas for it at all. I'm quite thrilled to see the responses as well.
I do like Jack, but I don't love Jack. I really enjoy Torchwood, but I think I love Gwen and Ianto more.
I think I'll feel the same way when I watch TW. (Of course, it probably doesn't help that I'll likely always be annoyed with Barrowman for dissing on Eccleston because he had the temerity to be going through serious drama in his personal life and thus was not more fun for Barrowman to hang out with on set. Pfft!)
With you on the Daleks! I don't get what all the fuss is about! Granted, I thought "Evolution of the Daleks" was very, very lame, but I'm still not bothered by the Daleks inability to die.
Oh, that 2-parter in s3 was BAAAD!, but overall, the Daleks are just awesome. I love them.
I like all the new series full time companions, though admittedly not equally. At times it feels like Martha fans must hate Rose and vice-versa, which puts me in an awkward spot fandom wise.
I never understood that about any fandom. It's weird. I don't hate Martha, I like her; I just don't think that FA is as nearly a strong an actress as BP and CT, and RTD clearly writes for strong actresses.
I liked Donna in TRB, and series 4 made me love her. I'm not really sure whether she or Rose is my all time favorite.
I love Rose, adore her, she's awesome, fabulous, amazing, but yeah, GO DONNA!!!!!!!!!!
I ship both Doctor/Rose (Nine/Rose, Ten/Rose, and Ten II/Rose) and Doctor/Romana (in pretty much any regeneration for either), and would love to see Romana come back in the future. I get the impression, however, that many Romana and Doctor/Romana fans abhor the new series and/or Rose.
Never watched old school, so I just know of Romana, never watched her.
It bugs me in fanfic when the Doctor expresses something about how Rose is so much more perfect or understands him so much better than anyone ever could or will, or that she is the only person that he has ever or will ever love. I think he's completely in love with Rose, and that's not reduced at all by the fact that he has loved other people (romantically or platonically) during the past 900 years.
Right. For me, it's basically what Tennant has said: Rose is the love of his life. HOWEVER, being 900+ years old, he's gonna have other loves. I DO think that Rose is special; she's the love of his life.
"Fear Her" has a really awful plot. It's only redeeming factor is the adorable flirtiness of the Doctor and Rose. If not for that... totally boring.
Yuppers, exactly.
(Of course, "42" really is totally boring, but I've never seen much love for that!)
I actually sorta liked "42" even if it was a TIP/SP rip-off. I thought that Martha and guest star-dude had a nice chemistry and I loved that we got another example of the Doctor showing just how little he valued his own life without Rose and that if he died, eh. Sorry, I'm a sucker for crap like that because I'm an evil, hopeless romantic at heart. He doesn't care if he lives or dies without Rose. Sob, sob.
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Date: 2008-08-17 01:36 am (UTC)I don't understand it either, especially given the overwhelming positive response to "Turn Left." Maybe part of the problem is that many people did not like TRB Donna, and so they don't really connect the amazing things she went on to do with the person she already was. But again "Turn Left" should prove that who she was was pretty awesome too.
I just don't think that FA is as nearly a strong an actress as BP and CT...
Yeah, I agree that's she's the weaker actress.
Never watched old school, so I just know of Romana, never watched her.
Oh, you should! You might like Romana... she's actually got quite a bit in common with Donna. She's never afraid to tell the Doctor he's wrong, which he initially resents, but they become great friends.
Right. For me, it's basically what Tennant has said: Rose is the love of his life. HOWEVER, being 900+ years old, he's gonna have other loves. I DO think that Rose is special; she's the love of his life.
I think that's a great way to put it. :D
He doesn't care if he lives or dies without Rose. Sob, sob.
OMG emo-Doctor angst! I didn't exactly dislike "42", but I found it unremarkable. I've only seen it once, and I'm sure if I saw it again I'd see things I liked... the problem is I just can't remember much of it. The other things that I really liked or really disliked about series 3 stand out so much more.
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Date: 2008-08-17 01:54 pm (UTC)How anyone can't see that that was really the whole point of TL ... to show that all Donna needs is someone TRULY believing in her and she CAN and WILL be THE Donna, I don't know, but I get that a lot of people don't see it.
I don't understand it either, especially given the overwhelming positive response to "Turn Left."
Right, it's not like it was even a slightly maligned episode. It was right there; Donna has that amazing capacity to BE Donna, whether the Doctor is there or not.
Maybe part of the problem is that many people did not like TRB Donna, and so they don't really connect the amazing things she went on to do with the person she already was. But again "Turn Left" should prove that who she was was pretty awesome too.
Yuppes; and I just can not understand not loving TRB Donna too. I've adored her from almost moment one.
Never watched old school, so I just know of Romana, never watched her.
Oh, you should! You might like Romana... she's actually got quite a bit in common with Donna. She's never afraid to tell the Doctor he's wrong, which he initially resents, but they become great friends.
I'd love to watch it in order, but I'm thinking that's just not possible at this point.
Right. For me, it's basically what Tennant has said: Rose is the love of his life. HOWEVER, being 900+ years old, he's gonna have other loves. I DO think that Rose is special; she's the love of his life.
I think that's a great way to put it. :D
That really is how it's come across, though. She IS the love of his life; it doesn't take away that he loves other people -- again NINE HUNDRED YEARS OLD! -- but, yes, he DOES love Rose the mostest. She's the love of his life. When you've got the cast and crew basically selling that line in their writing, directing and acting overall, it's rather hard to ignore that reality in the show's canon. Sigh, yet people do.
OMG emo-Doctor angst! I didn't exactly dislike "42", but I found it unremarkable. I've only seen it once, and I'm sure if I saw it again I'd see things I liked... the problem is I just can't remember much of it. The other things that I really liked or really disliked about series 3 stand out so much more.
Ah, I just remember really liking Martha and that dude she spent so much time with; I wanted him to join them for an episode or two.