Anyway, great points! There really is so much room for interpretation here. And there's nothing in canon that ever says THEY DID NOT HAVE SEX. :D
I know!! That's what is so awesome, nothing contradicts it.
I flopped so much on this issue back after S2 aired. My personal canon blew in whatever direction the wind was going that day, and I never came to a conclusion (not that it was really necessary.) I think, though, after seeing JE I finally got pushed into the "never had sex" column.
Is it because they didn't make out/snog/whatever after they were reunited/the Doctor didn't-regenerate, or the kiss, or the Ten giving Rose what he never could by "giving her" TenII? If any are the case, I have an argument all ready ...
Lack of macking after the reunion: The Dalek shooting him gave them time to recover themselves. Honestly, I think that's why Rusty had the Dalek interrupt before they got to each other, because it wouldn't have made sense (and would have contradicted his hinted at "they're shagging") for them to NOT start making out. Once, he was "recovered," they had had time to compose themselves and since Jack and Donna were there, it's easy to make the leap that they simply worked hard to keep the full nature of their relationship to themselves and continued to do so in the presence of others by habit.
The kiss: (Cheating because I'm just copying what I wrote above) That kiss coming like it did didn't necessarily mean that they hadn't been, well, you know, and thus the surprise and shock of her pulling him to her like that. Simply it implied that the Doctor had never said the words before -- which really wouldn't come as a surprise from Mr. Euphemism-boy ("Does it need saying?" *Oh, Doctor*). After all, they went right into each other's arms, kissing away like they'd had practice -- and it'd been a really long time since Cassandra, and it was, well, Cassandra! so I'm not counting it.
TenII offering her what Ten could not: I don't think it was sex that the Doctor was thinking of, I never have. It was more the possibility of settling down, the white picket fence, and even more so, the ability to grow old together, spend *their* lives together. I highly doubt that the Doctor considers sex the "one adventure he can never have." However, living with someone, loving someone, growing old with someone ... THAT is the adventure that he can never have, and TenII can now.
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Date: 2008-08-23 10:49 pm (UTC)Hah, I literally laughed aloud at this.
Anyway, great points! There really is so much room for interpretation here. And there's nothing in canon that ever says THEY DID NOT HAVE SEX. :D
I know!! That's what is so awesome, nothing contradicts it.
I flopped so much on this issue back after S2 aired. My personal canon blew in whatever direction the wind was going that day, and I never came to a conclusion (not that it was really necessary.) I think, though, after seeing JE I finally got pushed into the "never had sex" column.
Is it because they didn't make out/snog/whatever after they were reunited/the Doctor didn't-regenerate, or the kiss, or the Ten giving Rose what he never could by "giving her" TenII? If any are the case, I have an argument all ready ...
Lack of macking after the reunion: The Dalek shooting him gave them time to recover themselves. Honestly, I think that's why Rusty had the Dalek interrupt before they got to each other, because it wouldn't have made sense (and would have contradicted his hinted at "they're shagging") for them to NOT start making out. Once, he was "recovered," they had had time to compose themselves and since Jack and Donna were there, it's easy to make the leap that they simply worked hard to keep the full nature of their relationship to themselves and continued to do so in the presence of others by habit.
The kiss: (Cheating because I'm just copying what I wrote above) That kiss coming like it did didn't necessarily mean that they hadn't been, well, you know, and thus the surprise and shock of her pulling him to her like that. Simply it implied that the Doctor had never said the words before -- which really wouldn't come as a surprise from Mr. Euphemism-boy ("Does it need saying?" *Oh, Doctor*). After all, they went right into each other's arms, kissing away like they'd had practice -- and it'd been a really long time since Cassandra, and it was, well, Cassandra! so I'm not counting it.
TenII offering her what Ten could not: I don't think it was sex that the Doctor was thinking of, I never have. It was more the possibility of settling down, the white picket fence, and even more so, the ability to grow old together, spend *their* lives together. I highly doubt that the Doctor considers sex the "one adventure he can never have." However, living with someone, loving someone, growing old with someone ... THAT is the adventure that he can never have, and TenII can now.