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arabianFor the most part. Just reading comments here and there over the last couple of months and finding myself thinking but I DO like that or I DON'T like that, and after writing up this quite, quite unpopular opinion re: Donna post, I was inspired to compile a list and am just now putting it up. Now, I know one is extremely unpopular, and one I found out after I wrote the list, edges more towards popular and my goodness, can I ramble? Anyhoo, the list in no particular order ...
- I actually quite like "Love & Monsters." I wouldn't put it in my top ten, and I know it's both Doctor and Rose-lite, but I still enjoy it. I like the story, I like Elton and I think that it's a fabulous little mini Jackie story. Plus, I love the few moments we do get with the Doctor and Rose.
- Here's the biggie: I don't really care about Jack. I do not understand for the life of me why he is SUCH a huge part of fandom, why an entire other show was built around him, etc. He's handsome, but nothing to write home about in my book; he a decent actor, but nothing to write home about. And I don't get the whole great, fabulous, amazing friendship between the Doctor, Rose and Jack. They traveled together for what really amounted to one episode: "Boomtown." And sure, they had travels in between, and were all buddy-buddy and rah!rah!rah! in said "Boomtown," but Mickey fit in pretty nicely with those three and yet I don't see OT4 fics with them. I just don't get it.
On that note, I pretty much despise the OT3 thing with Doctor/Rose/Jack. I just ... ick, it gives me the ickies. Just yuck. The Doctor belongs with Rose. Rose belongs with the Doctor. Jack can have a raging hard-on for either one all he wants, but for me, it's all on him, and Rose is into the Doctor, and the Doctor is into Rose and if Jack were to attempt to insert himself in the mix, they'd be as squicked as I am.
So, yeah, that one was the biggie, the major, 'that is SOOOOOOOOOOO unpopular.' Moving along.
- Due to forms of character assassination ranging from mild to OHMYGOD!GET THE HELL AWAY FROM MY SHOW!!!!, I've found that I only love "Blink" by Moffat. I love some of the moments in "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" and do adore the overall concept, but the episodes themselves rub me the wrong way in light of Rose's characterization and some of the Doctor stuff too. I think that "The Girl in the Fireplace" is a gorgeously written, conceived and acted episode ... but one that does not even REMOTELY fit character-arc wise in RTD's Who. The less said about "Silence of the Library/Forest of the Dead" the better, other than that the only thing I liked about it was the alternate Donna-verse, but everything else? Meh to Noooo. "Blink," though? I loved. (Like lots of others, I know.)
- I've said this before and I know I'm not the only one, but I'll still add it: I love Ten, but I do love Nine just that little bit more.
- On that note, I think that Eccleston has more chemistry with Billie Piper than does David Tennant. (And on the chemistry note, I don't see anything but BFF chemistry between Piper and Tennant in real-life ... at all, nothing hinting at some underpinning of longing, etc.)
- Donna is not just my favorite companion (I'm sorry, Rose, I do adore you, but Donna is just ... Donna), Donna is my favorite character EVER on Who -- yes, I love her more than the Doctor (Nine or Ten). In fact, Donna Noble may be one of my top five favorite characters ever in ANY fandom. EVER! I love her so much.
- My favorite kiss is the Nine/Rose kiss from "The Parting of the Ways." None other comes close.
- I may be lynched for this, but {ducks}, I don't like David Tennant's hair in series four. I just don't. It's too short, too spiky, just not as ... yeah, don't like. It's okay in series three, but do not want in series four. I ADORE it in series two. A-D-O-R-E it in series two. I almost like his hair, series two, as much as I like Donna. But series four? Yeah, just no.
-I don't care if they keep popping up after being exterminated once and for all: I don't think I'll ever get tired of the Daleks. E-V-E-R!
- "The Unquiet Dead" is one of my favorite episodes. In fact, I won't be surprised if when I'm done rewatching the whole series again that it's in the top five, if not top three. I really, really love it.
- I apologize in advance to Christopher Eccleston because for the first time in forever I'm actually acknowledging that even he can't overcome something. It's not his fault, but still ... even he couldn't overcome the cheese of the "You need a doctor" line from "The Parting of the Ways." I keep hoping it will get better each time I watch it and I'll grin and glory in the romantic cheesiness, but no. It's just always groan-inducing cheese. Sigh. Not even the amazing Christopher Eccleston can save it.
- [verysmallvoice]I like the blue suit.[/verysmallvoice] I ADORE the brown pin-striped suit, but yeah ... [verysmallvoice]I like the blue suit.[/verysmallvoice]
- I like John Simm, he's a great actor, very charismatic. Still, I way, way preferred Sir Derek Jacobi over him and really wished that Jacobi had just stayed as the Master. (I know! This one rivals the Jack/OT3 above for unpopularity.)
- Poorly-conceived/written character or not, I think the biggest problem with Martha is that compared to most other regular/recurring actors on this show, Freema Agyeman is just not that good. I like her, I think she's very personable and quite lovely. I simply don't think she's a strong enough actress to make Martha work as RTD likely envisioned her. I just find it difficult to believe that a man who is so amazingly wonderful at creating characters and writing such fabulous character arcs and motivations for them would mess up so with Martha Jones. Therefore, I think the fault in the character lies in Agyeman not able to deliver on RTD's vision. (Why do I feel guilty writing this? It's not like she'll ever read it. Sigh, I DO like her, I just ... well, you know.)
- I really, really loved Yvonne Hartman. I did.
So share your thoughts, your own opinions that might be a tad outside the norm. Will be fun to read. :D (I know some of my other Who icons are much more appropriate, but new Billie icon! Squee!! I had to use it.)
- I actually quite like "Love & Monsters." I wouldn't put it in my top ten, and I know it's both Doctor and Rose-lite, but I still enjoy it. I like the story, I like Elton and I think that it's a fabulous little mini Jackie story. Plus, I love the few moments we do get with the Doctor and Rose.
- Here's the biggie: I don't really care about Jack. I do not understand for the life of me why he is SUCH a huge part of fandom, why an entire other show was built around him, etc. He's handsome, but nothing to write home about in my book; he a decent actor, but nothing to write home about. And I don't get the whole great, fabulous, amazing friendship between the Doctor, Rose and Jack. They traveled together for what really amounted to one episode: "Boomtown." And sure, they had travels in between, and were all buddy-buddy and rah!rah!rah! in said "Boomtown," but Mickey fit in pretty nicely with those three and yet I don't see OT4 fics with them. I just don't get it.
On that note, I pretty much despise the OT3 thing with Doctor/Rose/Jack. I just ... ick, it gives me the ickies. Just yuck. The Doctor belongs with Rose. Rose belongs with the Doctor. Jack can have a raging hard-on for either one all he wants, but for me, it's all on him, and Rose is into the Doctor, and the Doctor is into Rose and if Jack were to attempt to insert himself in the mix, they'd be as squicked as I am.
So, yeah, that one was the biggie, the major, 'that is SOOOOOOOOOOO unpopular.' Moving along.
- Due to forms of character assassination ranging from mild to OHMYGOD!GET THE HELL AWAY FROM MY SHOW!!!!, I've found that I only love "Blink" by Moffat. I love some of the moments in "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" and do adore the overall concept, but the episodes themselves rub me the wrong way in light of Rose's characterization and some of the Doctor stuff too. I think that "The Girl in the Fireplace" is a gorgeously written, conceived and acted episode ... but one that does not even REMOTELY fit character-arc wise in RTD's Who. The less said about "Silence of the Library/Forest of the Dead" the better, other than that the only thing I liked about it was the alternate Donna-verse, but everything else? Meh to Noooo. "Blink," though? I loved. (Like lots of others, I know.)
- I've said this before and I know I'm not the only one, but I'll still add it: I love Ten, but I do love Nine just that little bit more.
- On that note, I think that Eccleston has more chemistry with Billie Piper than does David Tennant. (And on the chemistry note, I don't see anything but BFF chemistry between Piper and Tennant in real-life ... at all, nothing hinting at some underpinning of longing, etc.)
- Donna is not just my favorite companion (I'm sorry, Rose, I do adore you, but Donna is just ... Donna), Donna is my favorite character EVER on Who -- yes, I love her more than the Doctor (Nine or Ten). In fact, Donna Noble may be one of my top five favorite characters ever in ANY fandom. EVER! I love her so much.
- My favorite kiss is the Nine/Rose kiss from "The Parting of the Ways." None other comes close.
- I may be lynched for this, but {ducks}, I don't like David Tennant's hair in series four. I just don't. It's too short, too spiky, just not as ... yeah, don't like. It's okay in series three, but do not want in series four. I ADORE it in series two. A-D-O-R-E it in series two. I almost like his hair, series two, as much as I like Donna. But series four? Yeah, just no.
-I don't care if they keep popping up after being exterminated once and for all: I don't think I'll ever get tired of the Daleks. E-V-E-R!
- "The Unquiet Dead" is one of my favorite episodes. In fact, I won't be surprised if when I'm done rewatching the whole series again that it's in the top five, if not top three. I really, really love it.
- I apologize in advance to Christopher Eccleston because for the first time in forever I'm actually acknowledging that even he can't overcome something. It's not his fault, but still ... even he couldn't overcome the cheese of the "You need a doctor" line from "The Parting of the Ways." I keep hoping it will get better each time I watch it and I'll grin and glory in the romantic cheesiness, but no. It's just always groan-inducing cheese. Sigh. Not even the amazing Christopher Eccleston can save it.
- [verysmallvoice]I like the blue suit.[/verysmallvoice] I ADORE the brown pin-striped suit, but yeah ... [verysmallvoice]I like the blue suit.[/verysmallvoice]
- I like John Simm, he's a great actor, very charismatic. Still, I way, way preferred Sir Derek Jacobi over him and really wished that Jacobi had just stayed as the Master. (I know! This one rivals the Jack/OT3 above for unpopularity.)
- Poorly-conceived/written character or not, I think the biggest problem with Martha is that compared to most other regular/recurring actors on this show, Freema Agyeman is just not that good. I like her, I think she's very personable and quite lovely. I simply don't think she's a strong enough actress to make Martha work as RTD likely envisioned her. I just find it difficult to believe that a man who is so amazingly wonderful at creating characters and writing such fabulous character arcs and motivations for them would mess up so with Martha Jones. Therefore, I think the fault in the character lies in Agyeman not able to deliver on RTD's vision. (Why do I feel guilty writing this? It's not like she'll ever read it. Sigh, I DO like her, I just ... well, you know.)
- I really, really loved Yvonne Hartman. I did.
So share your thoughts, your own opinions that might be a tad outside the norm. Will be fun to read. :D (I know some of my other Who icons are much more appropriate, but new Billie icon! Squee!! I had to use it.)
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Date: 2008-09-22 12:26 am (UTC)Our biggest difference is probably that I tend to be very Ten/Rose focused. I love the Doctor/Rose relationship overall, and there's something so perfect and magical about the way they fell in love over the course of S1, but it was like Ten and Rose took up camp in my head and haven't ever left. And I love their chemistry, even if I think Chris and Billie had a more obvious UST-y vibe between them. David and Billie made their physical closeness seem so real, which I loved. I could have watched them bounce around hugging for seasons and seasons.
And... I do despise the blue suit and have probably even written some long drawn-out meta about it. Rose is my favourite companion, probably always will be, as much as I love Donna and Martha.
Otherwise:
-I agree about Tennant's S4 hair, overall. I liked it in Planet of the Ood, though! Actually, my fangirl appreciation for DT took a bit of a hit in S4. I don't really know what's up with that. He just seemed so tired and old for most of it. They should probably feed him more down in Cardiff.
-Doctor/Rose/Jack really does nothing for me. Well, not many ships besides D/R do much for me in DW. :D
-I, too, would like Moffat the hell away from my show. I just... don't like his version of the Doctor, is what it comes down to. And that's probably going to be a problem when he's running it.
-I also will never tire of Daleks. I just love them.
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Date: 2008-09-22 12:51 am (UTC)Not bad on unpopular opinions. I think we'd probably agree more on popular ones. Probably. LOL!
Our biggest difference is probably that I tend to be very Ten/Rose focused.
I know most are in this fandom. And I DO love Ten/Rose like LOTS! I just shipped Rose/Nine first, loved Eccleston first and am currently rewatch-reviewing series one. Honestly, my love for Ten/Rose may increase even more to almost match Nine/Rose when I do the rewatch of their episodes.
I love the Doctor/Rose relationship overall, and there's something so perfect and magical about the way they fell in love over the course of S1, but it was like Ten and Rose took up camp in my head and haven't ever left. And I love their chemistry, even if I think Chris and Billie had a more obvious UST-y vibe between them. David and Billie made their physical closeness seem so real, which I loved.
I can certainly understand this.
I could have watched them bounce around hugging for seasons and seasons.
You and me both. You and me both.
And... I do despise the blue suit and have probably even written some long drawn-out meta about it. Rose is my favourite companion, probably always will be, as much as I love Donna and Martha.
Heh, I've read some of that meta, LOL! You REALLY hate it. I adore Rose so much, and Billie's now my favorite actor from the show, but Donna just owns my soul. I mean, it's not Who, it's everything. She's up there in like the top three of every character ever created in any medium.
-I agree about Tennant's S4 hair, overall. I liked it in Planet of the Ood, though!
Thank you! Someone else doesn't love the S4 hair. (Although, we mightily disagree on PotO, I loved that episode.)
Actually, my fangirl appreciation for DT took a bit of a hit in S4. I don't really know what's up with that. He just seemed so tired and old for most of it. They should probably feed him more down in Cardiff.
He really, really did look tired and older. He did. (Speaking of, it's another reason I don't think he'll re-sign for series five. I know you think it more likely, but I just don't more and more, with interviews, comments, offhand stuff I've read from RTD, Moffat and Tennant himself. Mainly though, I really don't think he likes the Doctor as envisioned by Moffat and I don't think he's all that fond of the fact that Moffat basically pisses all over Rose and the Doctor/Rose relationship when Tennant clearly has no problem with Rose or their relationship. I keep going back to how he played the Doctor in SotL/FotD -- there was not one iota of warmth, attraction, interest, etc. in how he responded to River Song. And you know that Moffat intended that, but David DID NOT play it that way at all. I just don't think his vision of the Doctor -- and he's an old school Doctor Who fan -- jibes with Moffat's at all. So yeah, that along with a bunch of other small reasons, makes me believe (and I desperately hope that I'm right) that he won't re-sign.
I'm still holding out hope for another Who spin-off with Ten II, Rose, alt-universe Donna (and now) Tosh, and the four of them can go around saving the Earth (mostly the UK) on a weekly basis. Ahem.)
-Doctor/Rose/Jack really does nothing for me. Well, not many ships besides D/R do much for me in DW. :D
Heh.
-I, too, would like Moffat the hell away from my show. I just... don't like his version of the Doctor, is what it comes down to. And that's probably going to be a problem when he's running it.
Erm, yeah, see above.
-I also will never tire of Daleks. I just love them.
Ex-term-i-nate! LOVE THEM.
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Date: 2008-09-22 01:07 am (UTC)Probably! Though with this fandom, every opinion is unpopular somewhere.
I know most are in this fandom. And I DO love Ten/Rose like LOTS! I just shipped Rose/Nine first, loved Eccleston first and am currently rewatch-reviewing series one. Honestly, my love for Ten/Rose may increase even more to almost match Nine/Rose when I do the rewatch of their episodes
I can definitely understand liking Nine/Rose more. It's the same relationship, certainly, but there *are* inevitable changes that happen from a change in actors. Thank GOD RTD continued the relationship, though. I think it says something about the force of their bond that they did love each other through a regeneration.
My only thing is, I don't react well to being told Nine loved Rose more than Ten, but you haven't ever even implied that, so. :D
Heh, I've read some of that meta, LOL! You REALLY hate it.
BWAH. I think it's become a bit of an in-joke now, so I'm not even sure when I'm being serious anymore. Though there ARE times when I REALLY hate it. On the other hand, it makes me appreciate the brown so much more. XD
I adore Rose so much, and Billie's now my favorite actor from the show, but Donna just owns my soul. I mean, it's not Who, it's everything. She's up there in like the top three of every character ever created in any medium.
I don't think being enamoured with Donna is an unpopular opinion in this fandom at all. Actually, I think it's remarkable that RTD created three different women who are all strong and flawed in their own ways - with three separate arcs and relationships with the Doctor. How amazing is that? I'm impressed when a TV show manages to do *one* woman justice.
Speaking of, it's another reason I don't think he'll re-sign for series five. I know you think it more likely, but I just don't more and more, with interviews, comments, offhand stuff I've read from RTD, Moffat and Tennant himself. Mainly though, I really don't think he likes the Doctor as envisioned by Moffat and I don't think he's all that fond of the fact that Moffat basically pisses all over Rose and the Doctor/Rose relationship when Tennant clearly has no problem with Rose or their relationship. I keep going back to how he played the Doctor in SotL/FotD -- there was not one iota of warmth, attraction, interest, etc. in how he responded to River Song. And you know that Moffat intended that, but David DID NOT play it that way at all. I just don't think his vision of the Doctor -- and he's an old school Doctor Who fan -- jibes with Moffat's at all. So yeah, that along with a bunch of other small reasons, makes me believe (and I desperately hope that I'm right) that he won't re-sign.
I want to think that, but at the same time I don't want to be disappointed. It's so much easier to resign myself to Tennant staying on than to think he won't and that Moffat will have a blank slate. And I'm pretty certain the BBC is going to fall over themselves to keep him.
I'd desperately like RTD to handle Ten's exit, though. He feels so much like RTD's Doctor. It's almost wrong to think of anyone else doing it.
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Date: 2008-09-22 01:21 am (UTC)Yup!! And partly why I'm utterly mind-boggled by people saying that they can't see Rose and Ten II taking off. Hello!?!? Their love remained through a frickin' regeneration. DUH!
My only thing is, I don't react well to being told Nine loved Rose more than Ten, but you haven't ever even implied that, so. :D
I would never even imply that, Nine is the Doctor. Ten is the Doctor. The Doctor loved Rose. End of story. You could say that Nine loved her first, but then Ten loved her last, LOL!
I don't think being enamoured with Donna is an unpopular opinion in this fandom at all.
Yeah, that was the opinion I alluded to in my intro about finding out after the fact that really it's not that unpopular.
Actually, I think it's remarkable that RTD created three different women who are all strong and flawed in their own ways - with three separate arcs and relationships with the Doctor. How amazing is that? I'm impressed when a TV show manages to do *one* woman justice.
I SO agree; I may not love Martha, but I like her a lot and I think that RTD crafted a great character with a great arc. And Rose and Donna? Not enough awesome in the world to describe them, great characters, great arcs, great, charismatic actresses. And all three totally different. Loves.
I want to think that, but at the same time I don't want to be disappointed.
I really, really, REALLY should do that.
It's so much easier to resign myself to Tennant staying on than to think he won't and that Moffat will have a blank slate. And I'm pretty certain the BBC is going to fall over themselves to keep him.
Oh, yeah, they will. I hope he doesn't re-sign.
I'd desperately like RTD to handle Ten's exit, though. He feels so much like RTD's Doctor. It's almost wrong to think of anyone else doing it.
Agreed; and I think of the recent quote from RTD when asked about being interested in doing series five, and he said something about him and David talking together about how they'd have this big, big end in series four and series five would have a completely new slate and that just screamed to me that David had no intention of continuing on as the Doctor if RTD wasn't there. *Hopes* But yeah, I should ride your train instead to try and stave off some of that bitter disappointment.