VM 3.15 'Papa's Cabin' L/V Thoughts
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arabianHere's the latest batch of my Logan/Veronica analysis as seen (or will be seen) in The LoVe Shack Breakdowns.
Scene One: Judge Not ...
Believe it or not, I was actually very much looking forward to writing this analysis because the journey that I believe that Rob Thomas might be taking with Logan and Veronica once again made sense when these scenes were added to the course of their arc thus far. And in order to bring that all to bear, I'm including the Logan/Parker scenes in this write-up because they (especially one line in this first scene) really drove home for me where Logan's heart is ... and well, let's just state for the record that it ain't with Parker Lee. Not by a long shot. Also, these scenes clarify (for me) why Logan is rushing into this relationship.
I know that many (if not all?) viewers felt that the only point of Parker asking about his one class -- which he skipped -- was to show Parker realizing that Logan showed up on campus just to see her. However, I think that could have been achieved in a much less convoluted way because absolutely everything that we've been led to believe about both of these two characters is that they don't beat around the bush; they don't employ sly methods to ask for information. They just ask. So why offer this up to the audience in this round-about way? I think it all has to do with exactly why Logan is trying to jump into a relationship with someone who is not Veronica. And that there was deliberate phrasing: Someone who is NOT Veronica.
The little spiel about his class and the bite in his response really stood out to me because of the memory of the exchange we saw in Welcome Wagon, during the first food court date with Veronica we were privy to:
And as for Logan and Parker as a couple? Honestly, I don't see it. And, no, I'm not just saying this because I'm a crazy fangirl. I loved Veronica/Troy, believed that Logan/Hannah {{shudder}} did have chemistry and I bought a genuineness in both of those relationships (to varying degrees and for different reasons). However, this? Nuh uhn. Not buying. Let's ignore the fact that last week's scavenger hunt was ridiculously contrived and made no sense for any of the four characters but Parker. Let's ignore the fact that Jason Dohring and Julie Gonzalo have about a scintilla of chemistry. (I now believe that the 'sparks' that people saw in Hi, Infidelity came from the playful undertone that Dohring projected throughout the entire scene and that it was based solely on a deliberate attempt on Logan's part to affectionately get under Veronica's skin, thus the sparks actually came from the give-and-take of that relationship in retrospect.) Let's even ignore the fact that Logan who takes weeks, nay, months!, nay, forever, to get over Veronica is already cozying up to another girl.
No, let's ignore all of that and simply take into account that Gonzalo's Parker is showing about zero interest in Logan in a romantic sense. Hell, it's barely a friendly interest. There's just nothing there in how she looks at him, speaks to him, the body language is all wrong. Obviously, it makes me uncomfortable as a die-hard Logan/Veronica fan, but more than that it makes me uncomfortable because they just look and feel so wrong together.
Scene Two: Like Water off a Duck
Unless I'm completely crazy in what I saw in Logan's attitude about Parker, I do believe that one of two reasons that we saw this interaction was to set up that Logan is now following Veronica's modus operandi of getting over a relationship. The last couple of weeks whenever Logan's name came up, Veronica brushed it off, but it was clear that she was still upset about the relationship's end and wasn't pretending that all was fine and dandy. We even saw this in the last scene of Mars, Bars when Veronica was literally stopped in her tracks and reacted visibly to the sight of Logan eating with Parker.
Now, we are back to the Veronica-put-on that we're all used to when dealing with sorrow. She's doing the whole, 'I don't care' routine. You know, the one where she acts like everything is okay, so what's the big deal? That wall that Veronica has so carefully built is in her perfect position once more and she's as chipper as can be and concerns, even of the ex-boyfriend kind, are sliding off her back like water off a duck. Now, she's making a show of simply not caring because that might show a weakness. And Veronica Mars has learned to never show a weakness if she can help it.
The second point is that because of this conversation and the later one with Parker, she can no longer deny that there is something going on between the bubbly blonde and Logan. Try as she might to pretend she doesn't care about such a thing. (But she does. See Scene Five.)
Scene Three: I Haven't Got Time for the Pain
We know that Veronica saw Logan and Parker spending time together and looking comfortable doing so. We also know that Veronica was not happy upon witnessing it. Furthermore, we know that she knows it's not a one-time deal because Wallace saw them a second time and got the same vibe. So when Parker walks up to Veronica, looking uncomfortable and flat-out saying that she needs to discuss something 'weird' with her, we know that Veronica knows exactly what Parker wants to talk to her about and she heads her off without giving the girl a chance. Clearly Veronica figures that the best way to avoid an issue she doesn't want to face is to, well, not even let the issue come up.
Scene Four: Eazy, Breezy, Beautiful Parker Lee
Again with the Logan/Parker scene analysis ... what the hell? I know! But the point of including these is because it's how Logan acts with her that I think we get our straws with which to stack. When he showed up and Parker was all moody, Logan didn't ask her what was wrong, he didn't show any concern for her really, he instead appeared slightly peeved that she wasn't her usual ebullient self. Does that sound like the Logan we know when in a relationship? Of course not. And why not? Because he wants the opposite of Veronica, not just the girl, but the relationship. He does not want to be judged; he does not want the moodiness, the funk, the drama. He just wants it light and casual ... no more epic. That's clearly what's he's signing on for here and if she isn't going to deliver, again, the getting is going to get gone.
And once more, we have Gonzalo in this scene just so off. She plays it as if the idea of actually dating Logan is such an odd choice for Parker, and furthermore, she's not really sure it's something she wants to do. And from Logan's end, he was bothered not that Parker was upset, but that Veronica was getting in the way of his move, move, moving on plans. Seriously. There was no connection between these two. At all. Like. AT. ALL.
Scene Five: Move, Move, Moving On ... Damnit!
And here is where I think the first Veronica/Wallace scene truly comes full-circle. Not only do we have Veronica "acting" as if it's all fine and dandy and coolio, but we have the same from Logan. Yes, from Logan. I do very much believe that one Mr. Logan Echolls has decided to take a page out of the 'Veronica Mars Guide to Dealing with Pain' handbook. When life hands you lemons, pretend you just don't care and throw 'em to the side of the road. Seriously. He was trying to act cool and all casual, just as she was. He oh, so casually acknowledged that it was weird -- which was Veronica's ding!ding!ding! word of the week in relation to Logan and Parker, so she knew what was coming -- what he wanted to talk to her about. However, he figured, as he stated oh, so casually, that since they were friends ...
Honestly, if it wasn't so painful, it'd be frickin' hysterical. It was all so over the top with the casual, which made it all so awkward and so, so, soooooooo uncomfortable. Now I know that some have claimed that they read no subtext from Kristen Bell and I'm frankly flummoxed at to how anyone could not see it. She played Veronica trying to hide her discomfort with a breezy air, but underneath you could see Panic! Do not speak! Pain is coming! written behind every word and sign of body language that she spoke and evidenced. Veronica was so trying to hold onto her casual, 'It's over, we're cool,' attitude and yet Bell managed to convey that under the surface it was pure torture for Veronica because, dagnabbitt!, if Logan wasn't playing that very same card and a helluva lot better than she. Not only was there discomfort underlying every bit of her reaction, but confusion as well. Veronica really, really didn't know what the heck to do. She doesn't want him dating Parker or anyone else. She wanted to throw a hissy fit; she wanted to stomp her feet and say 'no! you can't!,' but of course, she couldn't. Because Veronica broke up with him; she ended things; she said it was over for good and, damnit, if they were going to get back together, he had to come crawling on his knees. That's how it reads in the 'Veronica Mars Guidebook to Dating Logan Echolls.'
Ah, ah, ah, but Logan was now playing by a different book. He wasn't prostrate at her feet (as we saw in Post-Game Mortem). He was playing the adult, civil card (as we saw in Mars, Bars); he was playing it casual, calm, and move, move, moving on. And Veronica was flummoxed -- as flummoxed as was I at anyone not seeing the subtext screaming all over the screen. I mean, could her thumbs up, "good luck" have been any more awkward? Inappropriate? Completely un-Veronica Mars-like? Nope, not possible. She was like a whirling dervish thrown out of whirl. Girl was simply flummoxed and she did not know what to do. Which we saw run through into the beginning of the next scene. As she went into Tim's office, Bell's body language was superb in showing how that brief conversation with Logan had just pulled the rug out from under her. Her shoulders were bowed, there was a hesitancy to her walk, a slight dazed quality to her movement, her head downcast. And when she spoke to Tim, it was in barely-there monosyllabic responses until he talked about Landry's arrest surprising everyone. At that point, she finally really looked up, her eyes wide, a tinge of shock overlaying their blue and repeated that "yes, it had taken everyone by surprise," but it was crystal-clear that she was not referencing the professor's arrest, but instead was talking all about that little tete-a-tete with Logan in the hallway.
We know that Veronica had already been given not one, not two, but three heads-up on the likely occurrence of something going on with regards to Logan and Parker, so where was her surprise from? Well, I said it all above. The surprise came from the fact that Logan was no longer playing by the same rulebook. He was moving on (Damnit!), and he was sure as heck acting like he meant it and that completely floored the girl. And I believe that Bell delivered that beautifully. Kudos to her.
Now, on the other side of the door, I noted above how casual Logan played it all, but there were a couple of missteps that Dohring used to masterfully illustrate exactly where Logan's heart lie. And oh, how his final expression once Veronica was gone told so much in just a few seconds. First off, there was the whole last-name usage which was just so very awkward and so clearly Logan trying to be casual, as was Veronica's return volley attempt at banter ... however, that attempt led to the one genuine moment between the two. His comment on the nickname "Chuckles" not sticking was classic-Logan/Veronica dating banter, and even his voice changed just slightly with that added little imp of joy. Then, boom!, right after he said it, he looked away and there was a slight moment of 'ohshit!' on both their faces, echoed in the body language of both, before they slid quickly, if uneasily, out of their past relationship comfort zone and right back into the oh, so casual, 'just friends' vibe that was totally not working ... at all.
And then we get to the kicker, once Veronica gave her thumbs up (snerk!), and was out of sight, Logan's expression just .... dropped. And I've got to give kudos to Jason Dohring now, because he just nailed the moment. You could see so, so much in those couple of seconds that ended on a slight exhalation of breath. His determination to move on, his relief that his task was done, but mostly his pain that she didn't fight for him or them at all ... again, and the realization, yet again (I think we'll be getting a lot of these) that it's really over. (But it's so not.)
So for what it's worth, that's my take on these scenes, and on the Logan/Parker relationship at this point. I'm trying to have hope because I really CAN see a believable arc coming out of this. Even though I would have much preferred a different route, this does all make sense and everything that's happened from Welcome Wagon on does have a logical progression that can only help Logan and Veronica make it work in the long run. Their actions are actually in character for both. This week even gave logic to last week's whiplash-inducing characterization with regards to Logan.
However, we have a two-month break coming up and I presume Logan and Parker will have been dating during that period and it might change. As well, Veronica may get involved with Piz (I know, but they have been hinting at it all season long, grr!), and my fear that Bell's bias against Logan and pro-anyone not Logan will effect whatever the actual point of that potential relationship might be. Again, however, I've been mostly quite thrilled with her portrayal of Veronica and the subtext underlying those arc-related scenes this season (Of Vice and Men and There's Got to Be a Morning After Pill being the key offenders, but the script and/or direction was so bad in both cases, the blame can not even remotely be entirely lain at her feet.)
So who knows? Maybe it will all work out by episode 20. After all, I've long considered the Logan/Veronica arc THE season-long arc this year and it may not be a mystery but the culmination of seasons one and two season-long arcs hit with dizzying speed in the final episode, so there is definite hope. And with the kernels I picked out from these Logan/Veronica arc-related scenes going into the hiatus, I'm happy with the emotional beats. When you really sit down and look at the whole season thus far in terms of their interaction, it does all make sense in terms of them, their relationship and their characters and how the paths taken thus far can (and will) lead to the two finally getting it right down the road. It's not pretty, it's not fun and there are so many other, better, less painful ways I would have gone, but I do see a rhyme and a reason to this method of madness and until that's taken away from me, I'll hold onto it with all I've got and keep building that haystack of LoVe.
Scene One: Judge Not ...
Believe it or not, I was actually very much looking forward to writing this analysis because the journey that I believe that Rob Thomas might be taking with Logan and Veronica once again made sense when these scenes were added to the course of their arc thus far. And in order to bring that all to bear, I'm including the Logan/Parker scenes in this write-up because they (especially one line in this first scene) really drove home for me where Logan's heart is ... and well, let's just state for the record that it ain't with Parker Lee. Not by a long shot. Also, these scenes clarify (for me) why Logan is rushing into this relationship.
I know that many (if not all?) viewers felt that the only point of Parker asking about his one class -- which he skipped -- was to show Parker realizing that Logan showed up on campus just to see her. However, I think that could have been achieved in a much less convoluted way because absolutely everything that we've been led to believe about both of these two characters is that they don't beat around the bush; they don't employ sly methods to ask for information. They just ask. So why offer this up to the audience in this round-about way? I think it all has to do with exactly why Logan is trying to jump into a relationship with someone who is not Veronica. And that there was deliberate phrasing: Someone who is NOT Veronica.
The little spiel about his class and the bite in his response really stood out to me because of the memory of the exchange we saw in Welcome Wagon, during the first food court date with Veronica we were privy to:
- Veronica: Wallace says you're in his sociology class.
Logan: Really? I haven't seen him.
Veronica: Maybe because you haven't showed up for class.
Logan: Well, that's certainly one possibility.
Quote:And I do believe that this is now extending to a possible future relationship as well. He is not going to be judged; he is not going to be found wanting and if Parker doesn't realize that from the get-go, well, then this getting any going anywhere.
... when Veronica latched onto something else "bad" that Logan did and used it as justification to dump all over him and them again -- this time leaving her in the position of power -- maybe there was a part of himself, some measure of self-esteem that kicked in and said: Enough is enough!
And as for Logan and Parker as a couple? Honestly, I don't see it. And, no, I'm not just saying this because I'm a crazy fangirl. I loved Veronica/Troy, believed that Logan/Hannah {{shudder}} did have chemistry and I bought a genuineness in both of those relationships (to varying degrees and for different reasons). However, this? Nuh uhn. Not buying. Let's ignore the fact that last week's scavenger hunt was ridiculously contrived and made no sense for any of the four characters but Parker. Let's ignore the fact that Jason Dohring and Julie Gonzalo have about a scintilla of chemistry. (I now believe that the 'sparks' that people saw in Hi, Infidelity came from the playful undertone that Dohring projected throughout the entire scene and that it was based solely on a deliberate attempt on Logan's part to affectionately get under Veronica's skin, thus the sparks actually came from the give-and-take of that relationship in retrospect.) Let's even ignore the fact that Logan who takes weeks, nay, months!, nay, forever, to get over Veronica is already cozying up to another girl.
No, let's ignore all of that and simply take into account that Gonzalo's Parker is showing about zero interest in Logan in a romantic sense. Hell, it's barely a friendly interest. There's just nothing there in how she looks at him, speaks to him, the body language is all wrong. Obviously, it makes me uncomfortable as a die-hard Logan/Veronica fan, but more than that it makes me uncomfortable because they just look and feel so wrong together.
Scene Two: Like Water off a Duck
Unless I'm completely crazy in what I saw in Logan's attitude about Parker, I do believe that one of two reasons that we saw this interaction was to set up that Logan is now following Veronica's modus operandi of getting over a relationship. The last couple of weeks whenever Logan's name came up, Veronica brushed it off, but it was clear that she was still upset about the relationship's end and wasn't pretending that all was fine and dandy. We even saw this in the last scene of Mars, Bars when Veronica was literally stopped in her tracks and reacted visibly to the sight of Logan eating with Parker.
Now, we are back to the Veronica-put-on that we're all used to when dealing with sorrow. She's doing the whole, 'I don't care' routine. You know, the one where she acts like everything is okay, so what's the big deal? That wall that Veronica has so carefully built is in her perfect position once more and she's as chipper as can be and concerns, even of the ex-boyfriend kind, are sliding off her back like water off a duck. Now, she's making a show of simply not caring because that might show a weakness. And Veronica Mars has learned to never show a weakness if she can help it.
The second point is that because of this conversation and the later one with Parker, she can no longer deny that there is something going on between the bubbly blonde and Logan. Try as she might to pretend she doesn't care about such a thing. (But she does. See Scene Five.)
Scene Three: I Haven't Got Time for the Pain
We know that Veronica saw Logan and Parker spending time together and looking comfortable doing so. We also know that Veronica was not happy upon witnessing it. Furthermore, we know that she knows it's not a one-time deal because Wallace saw them a second time and got the same vibe. So when Parker walks up to Veronica, looking uncomfortable and flat-out saying that she needs to discuss something 'weird' with her, we know that Veronica knows exactly what Parker wants to talk to her about and she heads her off without giving the girl a chance. Clearly Veronica figures that the best way to avoid an issue she doesn't want to face is to, well, not even let the issue come up.
Scene Four: Eazy, Breezy, Beautiful Parker Lee
Again with the Logan/Parker scene analysis ... what the hell? I know! But the point of including these is because it's how Logan acts with her that I think we get our straws with which to stack. When he showed up and Parker was all moody, Logan didn't ask her what was wrong, he didn't show any concern for her really, he instead appeared slightly peeved that she wasn't her usual ebullient self. Does that sound like the Logan we know when in a relationship? Of course not. And why not? Because he wants the opposite of Veronica, not just the girl, but the relationship. He does not want to be judged; he does not want the moodiness, the funk, the drama. He just wants it light and casual ... no more epic. That's clearly what's he's signing on for here and if she isn't going to deliver, again, the getting is going to get gone.
And once more, we have Gonzalo in this scene just so off. She plays it as if the idea of actually dating Logan is such an odd choice for Parker, and furthermore, she's not really sure it's something she wants to do. And from Logan's end, he was bothered not that Parker was upset, but that Veronica was getting in the way of his move, move, moving on plans. Seriously. There was no connection between these two. At all. Like. AT. ALL.
Scene Five: Move, Move, Moving On ... Damnit!
And here is where I think the first Veronica/Wallace scene truly comes full-circle. Not only do we have Veronica "acting" as if it's all fine and dandy and coolio, but we have the same from Logan. Yes, from Logan. I do very much believe that one Mr. Logan Echolls has decided to take a page out of the 'Veronica Mars Guide to Dealing with Pain' handbook. When life hands you lemons, pretend you just don't care and throw 'em to the side of the road. Seriously. He was trying to act cool and all casual, just as she was. He oh, so casually acknowledged that it was weird -- which was Veronica's ding!ding!ding! word of the week in relation to Logan and Parker, so she knew what was coming -- what he wanted to talk to her about. However, he figured, as he stated oh, so casually, that since they were friends ...
Honestly, if it wasn't so painful, it'd be frickin' hysterical. It was all so over the top with the casual, which made it all so awkward and so, so, soooooooo uncomfortable. Now I know that some have claimed that they read no subtext from Kristen Bell and I'm frankly flummoxed at to how anyone could not see it. She played Veronica trying to hide her discomfort with a breezy air, but underneath you could see Panic! Do not speak! Pain is coming! written behind every word and sign of body language that she spoke and evidenced. Veronica was so trying to hold onto her casual, 'It's over, we're cool,' attitude and yet Bell managed to convey that under the surface it was pure torture for Veronica because, dagnabbitt!, if Logan wasn't playing that very same card and a helluva lot better than she. Not only was there discomfort underlying every bit of her reaction, but confusion as well. Veronica really, really didn't know what the heck to do. She doesn't want him dating Parker or anyone else. She wanted to throw a hissy fit; she wanted to stomp her feet and say 'no! you can't!,' but of course, she couldn't. Because Veronica broke up with him; she ended things; she said it was over for good and, damnit, if they were going to get back together, he had to come crawling on his knees. That's how it reads in the 'Veronica Mars Guidebook to Dating Logan Echolls.'
Ah, ah, ah, but Logan was now playing by a different book. He wasn't prostrate at her feet (as we saw in Post-Game Mortem). He was playing the adult, civil card (as we saw in Mars, Bars); he was playing it casual, calm, and move, move, moving on. And Veronica was flummoxed -- as flummoxed as was I at anyone not seeing the subtext screaming all over the screen. I mean, could her thumbs up, "good luck" have been any more awkward? Inappropriate? Completely un-Veronica Mars-like? Nope, not possible. She was like a whirling dervish thrown out of whirl. Girl was simply flummoxed and she did not know what to do. Which we saw run through into the beginning of the next scene. As she went into Tim's office, Bell's body language was superb in showing how that brief conversation with Logan had just pulled the rug out from under her. Her shoulders were bowed, there was a hesitancy to her walk, a slight dazed quality to her movement, her head downcast. And when she spoke to Tim, it was in barely-there monosyllabic responses until he talked about Landry's arrest surprising everyone. At that point, she finally really looked up, her eyes wide, a tinge of shock overlaying their blue and repeated that "yes, it had taken everyone by surprise," but it was crystal-clear that she was not referencing the professor's arrest, but instead was talking all about that little tete-a-tete with Logan in the hallway.
We know that Veronica had already been given not one, not two, but three heads-up on the likely occurrence of something going on with regards to Logan and Parker, so where was her surprise from? Well, I said it all above. The surprise came from the fact that Logan was no longer playing by the same rulebook. He was moving on (Damnit!), and he was sure as heck acting like he meant it and that completely floored the girl. And I believe that Bell delivered that beautifully. Kudos to her.
Now, on the other side of the door, I noted above how casual Logan played it all, but there were a couple of missteps that Dohring used to masterfully illustrate exactly where Logan's heart lie. And oh, how his final expression once Veronica was gone told so much in just a few seconds. First off, there was the whole last-name usage which was just so very awkward and so clearly Logan trying to be casual, as was Veronica's return volley attempt at banter ... however, that attempt led to the one genuine moment between the two. His comment on the nickname "Chuckles" not sticking was classic-Logan/Veronica dating banter, and even his voice changed just slightly with that added little imp of joy. Then, boom!, right after he said it, he looked away and there was a slight moment of 'ohshit!' on both their faces, echoed in the body language of both, before they slid quickly, if uneasily, out of their past relationship comfort zone and right back into the oh, so casual, 'just friends' vibe that was totally not working ... at all.
And then we get to the kicker, once Veronica gave her thumbs up (snerk!), and was out of sight, Logan's expression just .... dropped. And I've got to give kudos to Jason Dohring now, because he just nailed the moment. You could see so, so much in those couple of seconds that ended on a slight exhalation of breath. His determination to move on, his relief that his task was done, but mostly his pain that she didn't fight for him or them at all ... again, and the realization, yet again (I think we'll be getting a lot of these) that it's really over. (But it's so not.)
So for what it's worth, that's my take on these scenes, and on the Logan/Parker relationship at this point. I'm trying to have hope because I really CAN see a believable arc coming out of this. Even though I would have much preferred a different route, this does all make sense and everything that's happened from Welcome Wagon on does have a logical progression that can only help Logan and Veronica make it work in the long run. Their actions are actually in character for both. This week even gave logic to last week's whiplash-inducing characterization with regards to Logan.
However, we have a two-month break coming up and I presume Logan and Parker will have been dating during that period and it might change. As well, Veronica may get involved with Piz (I know, but they have been hinting at it all season long, grr!), and my fear that Bell's bias against Logan and pro-anyone not Logan will effect whatever the actual point of that potential relationship might be. Again, however, I've been mostly quite thrilled with her portrayal of Veronica and the subtext underlying those arc-related scenes this season (Of Vice and Men and There's Got to Be a Morning After Pill being the key offenders, but the script and/or direction was so bad in both cases, the blame can not even remotely be entirely lain at her feet.)
So who knows? Maybe it will all work out by episode 20. After all, I've long considered the Logan/Veronica arc THE season-long arc this year and it may not be a mystery but the culmination of seasons one and two season-long arcs hit with dizzying speed in the final episode, so there is definite hope. And with the kernels I picked out from these Logan/Veronica arc-related scenes going into the hiatus, I'm happy with the emotional beats. When you really sit down and look at the whole season thus far in terms of their interaction, it does all make sense in terms of them, their relationship and their characters and how the paths taken thus far can (and will) lead to the two finally getting it right down the road. It's not pretty, it's not fun and there are so many other, better, less painful ways I would have gone, but I do see a rhyme and a reason to this method of madness and until that's taken away from me, I'll hold onto it with all I've got and keep building that haystack of LoVe.
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Date: 2007-03-01 12:05 pm (UTC)Go for it, girl!
:-D
Emma.
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Date: 2007-03-01 10:11 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-03-01 11:51 pm (UTC)Em.
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Date: 2007-03-01 12:45 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-03-01 10:16 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-03-01 12:45 pm (UTC)But if the show is cancelled we will never get any payoff. And that sucks. I just find it hard to find joy in the straws when I'm assuming that the show ends this season with them apart.
But I'll try and keep the ship flag waving Captain.
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Date: 2007-03-01 10:23 pm (UTC)I still believe undoubtedly that will get the two together or at least an open road to it in the finale. I know it seems like it's too much, but I keep going with the season arc mystery, in both seasons the long-arcs were wrapped up with dizzying speed in the one episode and I really think that the Logan/Veronica arc IS the season-long arc, so, voila, last episode wrap-up.
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Date: 2007-03-02 02:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-03-01 01:27 pm (UTC)I found the Logan/Veronica a bit awkward because I wanted it to be a bit longer instead of cutting off to Tim (even though in that we saw Veronica still shaken up with her conversation with Logan). I do agree how they are trying to be more mature about the break-up and their interactions this time around. I think the ball is more on Veronica's court.
The lack of chemistry between Logan/Parker is a bit surprising since Logan usually has chemistry with anyone. If Veronica does go for Piz, it is like the pattern of her trying to be safe and in control of the relationship.
Reading K. Bell's interviews it is saddening to see she isn't pro-Logan in terms of relationship, but perhaps that she is more in defense of her character.
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Date: 2007-03-01 10:40 pm (UTC)See, I don't buy the Logan has chemistry with anyone theory. I didn't think that JD and Paris Hilton had any chemisry, nor he and the actress who played Yolanda and he had like zero chemistry with Charisma Carpenter, despite their scenes.
La Bell is just not a very smart person. She wants a successful career, but she keeps dogging the thing that would get her more press. Sigh. The defense of the character doesn't work anymore because Veronica has done a lot of awful things to Logan (accusing him of rape, getting him arrested for murder, dumping him during a crisis and then hooking up with her ex, his bf, a few weeks later, etc.) in return and has made mistakes herself. La Bell just sees Veronica as this perfert, pretty, pretty princess who can do no wrong and that is just not the character. Sigh. The Veronica in her head doesn't belong with Logan, but the Veronica onscreen? A perfect fit.
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Date: 2007-03-02 03:03 am (UTC)The writing is the most important in terms of Logan/Veronica, and in that case, I do hope we get another season because I really don't see how they can magically fix the relationship and its issues. As much as I love the scenes of Logan/Veronica getting back together after the break-up, they never really talked about why they broke up.
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Date: 2007-03-02 03:53 am (UTC)Oh, I agree with you re: writing, but the thing is even if we get another season, I don't think we'll get that discussion ... ever. As long as it ends with them willing to take the chance again, or an open door, and there's no new season with a new batch of love interest and contrived dramatic crap thrown in the mix, we can postulate from what we have that they finally do talk about it and work out the issues without canon destroying it.
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Date: 2007-03-01 01:44 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-03-01 02:41 pm (UTC)1) I am with you, I think KB did an excellent job portraying Veronica pretending not to care, most especially in the scene with Logan and the subsequent scene with Tim. I TOTALLY got the subtext in her "complete suprise" and thought her "good luck" and thumbs up was perfectly awkward.
2) ...Logan's expression just .... dropped.... You could see so, so much in those couple of seconds that ended on a slight exhalation of breath. His determination to move on, his relief that his task was done, but mostly his pain that she didn't fight for him or them at all ... again, and the realization, yet again (I think we'll be getting a lot of these) that it's really over. (But it's so not.)
All of this is spot on! And I agree that JDoh rocked that moment! There is so much going on! I think that Logan wanted to hang with Parker (as friends or otherwise) and he knew she would only do so with Veronica's permission, so he asks for it, but I sort of wonder if he also asked to see what her reaction would be.
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Date: 2007-03-01 10:46 pm (UTC)2) Yes, Jason was AMAZING in that scene. And yes, I do very much think he was hoping for a reaction, but he didn't realize until after there had been "none."
Phenomenal
Date: 2007-03-01 02:49 pm (UTC)Re: Phenomenal
Date: 2007-03-01 10:47 pm (UTC)I do have write-ups for all of the eps, but not all are here. Anyhoo, I'm really glad you enjoy these. YAY!!!!
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Date: 2007-03-01 04:22 pm (UTC)I mean. I KNOW exactly where it's going (honestly i don't think the will date for two months and not having sex). And it bothers me. A lot.
Besides..what's the matter with Logan?
He seems to have a relationship only with a girl with:
- blonde hair
- sexual issues
- tendencies to be dominant in a relationship.
Logan, please..try something different for once (I mean, I'm a brunett, I can totally be good for you! LOL)! God!
Ok, time to be a little more serious here..Even if I'm more willing to believe in a LoVe ending this season, i don't really trust Rt to make up for us in a decent way.
I'll be more than thrilled to change my mind with the upcoming episodes, bur right now this is my point.
Thanks for the beautifulness that is your weekly review Jen. ♥♥♥
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Date: 2007-03-01 10:48 pm (UTC)I still have hope for an L/V ending. Will it be earned? Of course not, when's the last time something on this show was earned? Just get 'em together, cancel the show and free us from this torture.
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Date: 2007-03-10 02:53 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-03-01 04:52 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-03-01 07:59 pm (UTC)And I ♥ that icon!
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Date: 2007-03-02 11:35 am (UTC)candlewaxdreams, I was so glad I could find a positive spin going into hiatus. And I'm glad you liked my original icon (which I used in this response since I replaced the main one with a PC icon). I'm a bit skeeved by the Logan/Parker ones in this thread, but they're all negative at least. That's something. I'm very much an 'outta sight, God, please get it outta sight' girl. LOL!
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Date: 2007-03-01 11:14 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-03-07 12:06 am (UTC)I get your point about the subtext in that scene between LV this week, and it gives me some hope for something good down the road.
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Date: 2007-03-07 01:12 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-03-02 11:20 am (UTC)Ruk
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Date: 2007-03-02 11:38 am (UTC)The whole thing is just so forced and contrived and I really, really hope that it is SUPPOSED to be contrived because that means that we will get an endgame of L/V or some measure of it at the end of the season.
*Fingers Crossed*
no topic really (other then the fact that i luvd it)...
Date: 2007-03-06 10:07 pm (UTC)but omg ur so right
i never thought about how awkward parker seemed, but now that i think about it, there was sumthing really uncomfortable about the entire scene
i was probably 2 busy being pissd off at the fact that there was a hook up so soon 2 begin w/to even look at the details
how do u do it? i was yelling at the tv the entire time (major LoVe fan) while my boyfriend laffd at me, but u were able 2 analyze the entire think
kudos is all that i can say...
anyway, i think ur right about the whole loganparker relationship and how itll go, but the thing that pesters me the most is that veronica will probably hook up with piz (ironic they noth go 4 the total opposite of what they hav had in the past)
i feel like her moving on as well will interfere with the idea of it going full circle at the end of the season and them getting back 2 gether
anywayz i think ive rambled enuff for a day, good job on the commentary, it was GREAT!
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Date: 2007-03-06 10:48 pm (UTC)This is how I feel.When us LoVe fans say that we aren't feeling "it" or it's weird, it's because we are LoVe warped. But it's just not the case. It's actually strange that there is like ZERO chemistry. You would think that JDoh would have chemistry with anything. It looks weird, feels weird, it's just plain weird.
And you're completely right LOgan was just crying over Veronica the other day and now he's "over" her?!!
No, let's ignore all of that and simply take into account that Gonzalo's Parker is showing about zero interest in Logan in a romantic sense.
I also got that, I feel like the show is tryign to hype it more then it actually is.
Your analysis of Veronica's and Logan's scene at the end was spot on, I love how instead of feeling like this is the end (which I think many LoVe fans have done) you look at the positive, but in it's not just positive it's actually whats happening in front of you.
but mostly his pain that she didn't fight for him or them at all ... again, and the realization, yet again (I think we'll be getting a lot of these) that it's really over. (But it's so not.)
It better not be the end!!!!! Damn you piz and parker!!!
As she went into Tim's office, Bell's body language was superb in showing how that brief conversation with Logan had just pulled the rug out from under her. Her shoulders were bowed, there was a hesitancy to her walk, a slight dazed quality to her movement, her head downcast.
That's exactly what I thought when I saw her. It was that look of someones heart breaking. =/
I'll never give up on my ship, but I must say that your recaps give a lot of hope.
Lovely stuff!!!
::Runs off to read every LoVe recap you've done::